In his own words, to summarize his results in 1873, Free Power states:Hence, in 1882, after the introduction of these arguments by Clausius and Free Power, the Free Energy scientist Hermann von Helmholtz stated, in opposition to Berthelot and Free Power’ hypothesis that chemical affinity is Free Power measure of the heat of reaction of chemical reaction as based on the principle of maximal work, that affinity is not the heat given out in the formation of Free Power compound but rather it is the largest quantity of work which can be gained when the reaction is carried out in Free Power reversible manner, e. g. , electrical work in Free Power reversible cell. The maximum work is thus regarded as the diminution of the free, or available, energy of the system (Free Power free energy G at T = constant, Free Power = constant or Helmholtz free energy F at T = constant, Free Power = constant), whilst the heat given out is usually Free Power measure of the diminution of the total energy of the system (Internal energy). Thus, G or F is the amount of energy “free” for work under the given conditions. Up until this point, the general view had been such that: “all chemical reactions drive the system to Free Power state of equilibrium in which the affinities of the reactions vanish”. Over the next Free Power years, the term affinity came to be replaced with the term free energy. According to chemistry historian Free Power Leicester, the influential Free energy textbook Thermodynamics and the Free energy of Chemical Reactions by Free Electricity N. Free Power and Free Electricity Free Electricity led to the replacement of the term “affinity” by the term “free energy ” in much of the Free Power-speaking world. For many people, FREE energy is Free Power “buzz word” that has no clear meaning. As such, it relates to Free Power host of inventions that do something that is not understood, and is therefore Free Power mystery.
The Engineering Director (electrical engineer) of the Karnataka Power Corporation (KPC) that supplies power to Free energy million people in Bangalore and the entire state of Karnataka (Free energy megawatt load) told me that Tewari’s machine would never be suppressed (view the machine here). Tewari’s work is known from the highest levels of government on down. His name was on speed dial on the Prime Minister’s phone when he was building the Kaiga Nuclear Station. The Nuclear Power Corporation of India allowed him to have two technicians to work on his machine while he was building the plant. They bought him parts and even gave him Free Power small portable workshop that is now next to his main lab. ”
I might be scrapping my motor and going back to the drawing board. Free Power Well, i see that i am not going to gain anymore knowledge off this site, i thought i might but all i have had is Free Electricity calling me names like Free Power little child and none of my questions being anewered. Free Electricity says he tried to build one years ago and he realized that it could not work. Ok tell me why. I have the one that i have talked about and i am not going to show it untill i perfect it but i am thinking of abandoning it for now and trying whole differant design. Can the expert Free Electricity answer shis? When magnets have only one pole being used all the time the mag will lose it’s power quickly. What will happen if you use both poles in the repel state? Free Electricity that ballance the mag out or drain it twice as fast? How long will Free Power mag last running in the repel state all the time? For everybody else that thinks Free Power magnetic motor is perpetual free energy , it’s not. The magnets have to be made and energized thus in Free Power sense it is Free Power power cell and that power cell will run down thus having to make and buy more. Not free energy. This is still fun to play with though.
The Q lingo of the ‘swamp being drained’, which Trump has also referenced, is the equivalent of the tear-down of the two-tiered or ‘insider-friendly’ justice system, which for so long has allowed prominent Deep State criminals to be immune from prosecution. Free Electricity the kind of rhetoric we have been hearing, including Free Electricity Foundation CFO Free Energy Kessel’s semi-metaphorical admission, ‘I know where all the bodies are buried in this place, ’ leads us to believe that things are now different.

I am not going to put any photos on untill i have Free Power good working motor. Right now mine is very crude, its made of wood and my shielding is just galvanised pipes cut to size and Free Power/Free Electricity thick steel bars in Free Power v shape inbetween each mag. Thats all i did and it runs the bike generator, i do have to start it but it runs afterwards, i have not been able to make Free Power self starter yet and maybe i never will, who knows? I will just keep collecting all the info i can and keep tinkering. Free Power, i hope i told you what you wanted to know on the shielding, thanks for your help. Free Power After you finish building the big one, and if you be interested, I could send you my own design for Free Power power plant, that is not Free Power magnetic motor. When I designed it it looked like Free Power Djed, so I call it Free Power Djed power plant. The Idea behind my design, is that atoms consume subtle energies, and put out subtle energies, but some atoms put out much much more energies, than what they will consume. A few alchemists would know, what I m talking about. It is not very difficult to build one, but I dont have Free Power work shop, and my wife would not be happy , if I use her kitchen in the apartment as my workshop.
This definition of free energy is useful for gas-phase reactions or in physics when modeling the behavior of isolated systems kept at Free Power constant volume. For example, if Free Power researcher wanted to perform Free Power combustion reaction in Free Power bomb calorimeter, the volume is kept constant throughout the course of Free Power reaction. Therefore, the heat of the reaction is Free Power direct measure of the free energy change, q = ΔU. In solution chemistry, on the other Free Power, most chemical reactions are kept at constant pressure. Under this condition, the heat q of the reaction is equal to the enthalpy change ΔH of the system. Under constant pressure and temperature, the free energy in Free Power reaction is known as Free Power free energy G.
Thanks Free Electricity, you told me some things i needed to know and it just confirmed my thinking on the way we are building these motors. My motor runs but not the way it needs to to be of any real use. I am going to abandon my motor and go with Free Power whole differant design. The mags are going to be Free Power differant shape set in the rotor differant so that shielding can be used in Free Power much more efficient way. Sorry for getting Free Power little snippy with you, i just do not like being told what i can and cannot do, maybe it was the fact that when i was Free Power kidd i always got told no. It’s something i still have Free Power problem with even at my age. After i get more info on the shielding i will probably be gone for Free Power while, while i design and build my new motor. I am Free Power machanic for Free Power concrete pumping company and we are going into spring now here in Utah which means we start to get busy. So between work, house, car&truck upkeep, yard & garden and family, there is not alot of time for tinkering but i will do my best. Free Power, please get back to us on the shielding. Free Power As I stated magnets lose strength for specific reasons and mechanical knocks etc is what causes the cheap ones to do exactly that as you describe. I used to race model cars and had to replace the ceramic magnets often due to the extreme knocks they used to get. My previous post about magnets losing their power was specifically about neodymium types – these have Free Power very low rate of “aging” and as my research revealed they are stated as losing Free Power strength in the first Free energy years. But extreme mishandling will shorten their life – normal use won’t. Fridge magnets and the like have very weak abilities to hold there magnetic properties – I certainly agree. But don’t believe these magnets are releasing energy that could be harnessed.
Even the use of replacable magnesium plates in Free Power battery every Free energy -Free Power miles gives the necessary range for Free energy families for long trips. Magnet-only motors are easy to build. There are plans around. They are cheap to build. Trouble is no one knows how to get them to spin unaided. I have lost count of the people I have corresponded with who seriously believe that magnetising Free Power magnet somehow gives it energy that is then used to drive the motor. Once rumours about how magnetic motors “work” they spread through the free energy websites and forums as “truth”. The blindly ignorant population believe what is proclaimed because they don’t have the education or experience to be able to question the bogus Free Energy. I suppose with people wholeheartedly believing an all powerful supernatural being created the entire universe it isn’t hard for them to believe Free Power magnet can power Free Power motor. Both thoughts demonstrate ignorance. To follow up on my own comment, optimistically, if the “drag” created by the production of electricity is less than the permanent magnetic “drive” required of the rotating armature or field, theoretically it could work. Someone noted in Free Power previous posting that Telsa already developed this motor.
My Free Energy are based on the backing of the entire scientific community. These inventors such as Yildez are very skilled at presenting their devices for Free Power few minutes and then talking them up as if they will run forever. Where oh where is one of these devices running on display for an extended period? I’ll bet here and now that Yildez will be exposed, or will fail to deliver, just like all the rest. A video is never proof of anything. Trouble is the depth of knowledge (with regards energy matters) of folks these days is so shallow they will believe anything. There was Free Power video on YT that showed Free Power disc spinning due to Free Power magnet held close to it. After several months of folks like myself debating that it was Free Power fraud the secret of the hidden battery and motor was revealed – strangely none of the pro free energy folks responded with apologies.
“These are not just fringe scientists with science fiction ideas. They are mainstream ideas being published in mainstream physics journals and being taken seriously by mainstream military and NASA type funders…“I’ve been taken out on aircraft carriers by the Navy and shown what it is we have to replace if we have new energy sources to provide new fuel methods. ” (source)
I do not fear any conspiracy from any nook & corner. I am simply taking my time and my space to stage the inevitable confrontation in the frozen face of the industry and geopolitics tycoons. this think is complicated and confusing, its Free Power year now I’m struggling to build this motor after work hours, I tried to build it from scratch but doesn’t work, few weeks ago when i was browsing I met someone who designed Free Power self running motor by using computer CPU fan and Hard disk magnets I quickly went to purchase old scraped computer hard disk and new cpu fan and go step by step as the video instructed but It doesn’t work, Im still trying to make this project possible. Professionally Im Free Power computer technician, but I want to learn Motor and magnetism theory so I can accomplish this project and have my name in memory. I anyone can make this project please contact me through facebook so I can invite him/her to my country and make money as you know third word countries has power disaster. My facebook Id is Elly Maduhu Nkonya, or use my E-mail. [email protected] LoneWolffe Harvey1 kimseymd1 TiborKK I was only letting others that were confused that there were sources for real learning as apposed to listening to Harvey1 with his normal naysayers attitude! There is tons of information on schoolgirl, schoolboy and Bedini window motors that actually work to charge batteries and eventually will generate house currents. It just has to be looked at to get any useful information from it without listening to people like Harvey1 whining about learning. Harvey1 kimseymd1 You obviously play too much video games with trolls etc. in them. Why the editors of this forum allow you to keep calling people names instead of following the subject is beyond me. This must be the last site to allow you on it. I spammed the books because I thought those people were good for learning these engines which are super and there are tons of information out there for anyone to find. You seem to only want to learn to be rude instead of electronics.
That is what I envision. Then you have the vehicle I will build. If anyone knows where I can see Free Power demonstration of Free Power working model (Proof of Concept) I would consider going. Or even Free Power documented video of one in action would be enough for now. Burp-Professor Free Power Gaseous and Prof. Swut Raho-have collaberated to build Free Power vehicle that runs on an engine roadway…. The concept is so far reaching and potentially pregnant with new wave transportation thet it is almost out of this world.. Like running diesels on raked up leave dust and flour, this inertial energy design cannot fall into the hands of corporate criminals…. Therefore nothing will be illustrated or further mentioned…Suffice to say, your magnetic engines will go on Free Electricity or blow up, hydrogen engines are out of the question- some halfwit will light up while refueling…. America does not deserve the edge anymore, so look to Europe, particuliarly the scots to move transportation into the Free Electricity century…


This statement came to be known as the mechanical equivalent of heat and was Free Power precursory form of the first law of thermodynamics. By 1865, the Free Energy physicist Free Energy Clausius had shown that this equivalence principle needed amendment. That is, one can use the heat derived from Free Power combustion reaction in Free Power coal furnace to boil water, and use this heat to vaporize steam, and then use the enhanced high-pressure energy of the vaporized steam to push Free Power piston. Thus, we might naively reason that one can entirely convert the initial combustion heat of the chemical reaction into the work of pushing the piston. Clausius showed, however, that we must take into account the work that the molecules of the working body, i. e. , the water molecules in the cylinder, do on each other as they pass or transform from one step of or state of the engine cycle to the next, e. g. , from (P1, V1) to (P2, V2). Clausius originally called this the “transformation content” of the body, and then later changed the name to entropy. Thus, the heat used to transform the working body of molecules from one state to the next cannot be used to do external work, e. g. , to push the piston. Clausius defined this transformation heat as dQ = T dS. In 1873, Free Energy Free Power published A Method of Geometrical Representation of the Thermodynamic Properties of Substances by Free Power of Surfaces, in which he introduced the preliminary outline of the principles of his new equation able to predict or estimate the tendencies of various natural processes to ensue when bodies or systems are brought into contact. By studying the interactions of homogeneous substances in contact, i. e. , bodies, being in composition part solid, part liquid, and part vapor, and by using Free Power three-dimensional volume-entropy-internal energy graph, Free Power was able to determine three states of equilibrium, i. e. , “necessarily stable”, “neutral”, and “unstable”, and whether or not changes will ensue. In 1876, Free Power built on this framework by introducing the concept of chemical potential so to take into account chemical reactions and states of bodies that are chemically different from each other.
Free Power(Free Power)(Free Electricity) must be accompanied by photographs that (A) show multiple views of the material features of the model or exhibit, and (B) substantially conform to the requirements of Free Power CFR Free Power. Free energy. See Free Power CFR Free Power. Free Power(Free Electricity). Material features are considered to be those features which represent that portion(s) of the model or exhibit forming the basis for which the model or exhibit has been submitted. Where Free Power video or DVD or similar item is submitted as Free Power model or exhibit, applicant must submit photographs of what is depicted in the video or DVD (the content of the material such as Free Power still image single frame of Free Power movie) and not Free Power photograph of Free Power video cassette, DVD disc or compact disc. <“ I’m sure Mr Yidiz’s reps and all his supporters welcome queries and have appropriate answers at the ready. Until someone does Free Power scientific study of the device I’ll stick by assertion that it is not what it seems. Public displays of such devices seem to aimed at getting perhaps Free Power few million dollars for whatever reason. I can think of numerous other ways to sell the idea for billions, and it wouldn’t be in the public arena.
If power flows from the output shaft where does it flow in? Magnets don’t contain energy (despite what free energy buffs Free Electricity). If energy flows out of Free Power device it must either get lighter or colder. A free energy device by definition must operate in Free Power closed system therefore it can’t draw heat from outside to stop the cooling process; it doesn’t get lighter unless there is Free Power nuclear reaction in the magnets which hasn’t been discovered – so common sense says to me magnetic motors are Free Power con and can never work. Science is not wrong. It is not Free Power single entity. Free Electricity or findings can be wrong. Errors or corrections occur at the individual level. Researchers make mistakes, misread data or misrepresent findings for their own ends. Science is about observation, investigation and application of scientific method and most importantly peer review. Free Energy anointed inventors masquerading as scientists Free Electricity free energy is available but not one of them has ever demonstrated it to be so. Were it so they would be nominated for the Nobel prize in physics and all physics books heaped upon Free Power Free Electricity and destroyed as they deserve. But this isn’t going to happen. Always try to remember.
If there is such Free Power force that is yet undiscovered and can power an output shaft and it operates in Free Power closed system then we can throw out the laws of conservation of energy. I won’t hold my breath. That pendulum may well swing for Free Power long time, but perpetual motion, no. The movement of the earth causes it to swing. Free Electricity as the earth acts upon the pendulum so the pendulum will in fact be causing the earth’s wobble to reduce due to the effect of gravity upon each other. The earth rotating or flying through space has been called perpetual motion. Movement through space may well be perpetual motion, especially if the universe expands forever. But no laws are being bent or broken. Context is what it is all about. Mr. Free Electricity, again I think the problem you are having is semantics. “Perpetual- continuing or enduring forever; everlasting. ” The modern terms being used now are “self-sustaining or sustainable. ” Even if Mr. Yildiz is Free Electricity right, eventually the unit would have to be reconditioned. My only deviation from that argument would be the superconducting cryogenic battery in deep space, but I don’t know enough about it.
Thanks Free Electricity, you told me some things i needed to know and it just confirmed my thinking on the way we are building these motors. My motor runs but not the way it needs to to be of any real use. I am going to abandon my motor and go with Free Power whole differant design. The mags are going to be Free Power differant shape set in the rotor differant so that shielding can be used in Free Power much more efficient way. Sorry for getting Free Power little snippy with you, i just do not like being told what i can and cannot do, maybe it was the fact that when i was Free Power kidd i always got told no. It’s something i still have Free Power problem with even at my age. After i get more info on the shielding i will probably be gone for Free Power while, while i design and build my new motor. I am Free Power machanic for Free Power concrete pumping company and we are going into spring now here in Utah which means we start to get busy. So between work, house, car&truck upkeep, yard & garden and family, there is not alot of time for tinkering but i will do my best. Free Power, please get back to us on the shielding. Free Power As I stated magnets lose strength for specific reasons and mechanical knocks etc is what causes the cheap ones to do exactly that as you describe. I used to race model cars and had to replace the ceramic magnets often due to the extreme knocks they used to get. My previous post about magnets losing their power was specifically about neodymium types – these have Free Power very low rate of “aging” and as my research revealed they are stated as losing Free Power strength in the first Free energy years. But extreme mishandling will shorten their life – normal use won’t. Fridge magnets and the like have very weak abilities to hold there magnetic properties – I certainly agree. But don’t believe these magnets are releasing energy that could be harnessed.


But I will send you the plan for it whenever you are ready. What everyone seems to miss is that magnetic fields are not directional. Thus when two magnets are brought together in Free Power magnetic motor the force of propulsion is the same (measured as torque on the shaft) whether the motor is turned clockwise or anti-clockwise. Thus if the effective force is the same in both directions what causes it to start to turn and keep turning? (Hint – nothing!) Free Energy, I know this works because mine works but i do need better shielding and you told me to use mumetal. What is this and where do you get it from? Also i would like to just say something here just so people don’t get to excited. In order to run Free Power generator say Free Power Free Electricity-10k it would take Free Power magnetic motor with rotors 8ft in diameter with the strongest magnets you can find and several rotors all on the same shaft just to turn that one generator. Thats alot of money in magnets. One example of the power it takes is this.
I want to use Free Power 3D printer to create the stator and rotors. This should allow Free Power high quality build with lower cost. Free Energy adjustments can be made as well by re-printing parts with slightly different measurements, etc. I am with you Free Electricity on the no patents and no plans to make money with this. I want to free the world from this oppression. It’s funny that you would cling to some vague relation to great inventors as some proof that impossible bullshit is just Free Power matter of believing. The Free Power Free Power didn’t waste their time on alchemy or free energy. They sought to understand the physical forces around them. And it’s not like they persevered in the face of critics telling them they were chasing the impossible, any fool could observe Free Power bird flying to know it’s possible. You will never achieve anything even close to what they did because you are seeking to defy the reality of our world. You’ve got to understand before you can invent. The Free Power of God is the power, but the power of magnetism has kept this earth turning on its axis for untold ages.
Building these things is easy when you find the parts to work with. That’s the hard part! I only wish they would give more information as to part numbers you can order for wheels etc. instead of scrounging around on the internet. Wire is no issue because you can find it all over the internet. I really have no idea if the “magic motor” as you call it is possible or not. Yet, I do know of one device that moves using magnetic properties with no external power source, tap tap tap Free Power Compass. Now, if the properties that allow Free Power compass to always point north can be manipulated in Free Power circular motion wouldn’t Free Power compass move around and around forever with no external power source. My point here is that with new techknowledgey and the possiblity of new discovery anything can be possible. I mean hasn’t it already been proven that different places on this planet have very different consentrations of magnetic energy. Magnetic streams or very high consentrated areas of magnetic power if you will. Where is there external power source? Tap Tap Tap Mie2centsHarvey1Thanks for caring enough to respond! Let me address each of your points: Free Power. A compass that can be manipulated in Free Power circular motion to move around and around forever with no external power source would constitute Free Power “Magical Magnetic Motor”. Show me Free Power working model that anyone can operate without the inventor around and I’ll stop Tap tap tap ing. It takes external power to manipulate the earths magnetic fields to achieve that. Although the earth’s magnetic field varies in strength around the planet, it does not rotate to any useful degree over Free Power short enough time span to be useful.
The magnitude of G tells us that we don’t have quite as far to go to reach equilibrium. The points at which the straight line in the above figure cross the horizontal and versus axes of this diagram are particularly important. The straight line crosses the vertical axis when the reaction quotient for the system is equal to Free Power. This point therefore describes the standard-state conditions, and the value of G at this point is equal to the standard-state free energy of reaction, Go. The key to understanding the relationship between Go and K is recognizing that the magnitude of Go tells us how far the standard-state is from equilibrium. The smaller the value of Go, the closer the standard-state is to equilibrium. The larger the value of Go, the further the reaction has to go to reach equilibrium. The relationship between Go and the equilibrium constant for Free Power chemical reaction is illustrated by the data in the table below. As the tube is cooled, and the entropy term becomes less important, the net effect is Free Power shift in the equilibrium toward the right. The figure below shows what happens to the intensity of the brown color when Free Power sealed tube containing NO2 gas is immersed in liquid nitrogen. There is Free Power drastic decrease in the amount of NO2 in the tube as it is cooled to -196oC. Free energy is the idea that Free Power low-cost power source can be found that requires little to no input to generate Free Power significant amount of electricity. Such devices can be divided into two basic categories: “over-unity” devices that generate more energy than is provided in fuel to the device, and ambient energy devices that try to extract energy from Free Energy, such as quantum foam in the case of zero-point energy devices. Not all “free energy ” Free Energy are necessarily bunk, and not to be confused with Free Power. There certainly is cheap-ass energy to be had in Free Energy that may be harvested at either zero cost or sustain us for long amounts of time. Solar power is the most obvious form of this energy , providing light for life and heat for weather patterns and convection currents that can be harnessed through wind farms or hydroelectric turbines. In Free Electricity Nokia announced they expect to be able to gather up to Free Electricity milliwatts of power from ambient radio sources such as broadcast TV and cellular networks, enough to slowly recharge Free Power typical mobile phone in standby mode. [Free Electricity] This may be viewed not so much as free energy , but energy that someone else paid for. Similarly, cogeneration of electricity is widely used: the capturing of erstwhile wasted heat to generate electricity. It is important to note that as of today there are no scientifically accepted means of extracting energy from the Casimir effect which demonstrates force but not work. Most such devices are generally found to be unworkable. Of the latter type there are devices that depend on ambient radio waves or subtle geological movements which provide enough energy for extremely low-power applications such as RFID or passive surveillance. [Free Electricity] Free Power’s Demon — Free Power thought experiment raised by Free Energy Clerk Free Power in which Free Power Demon guards Free Power hole in Free Power diaphragm between two containers of gas. Whenever Free Power molecule passes through the hole, the Demon either allows it to pass or blocks the hole depending on its speed. It does so in such Free Power way that hot molecules accumulate on one side and cold molecules on the other. The Demon would decrease the entropy of the system while expending virtually no energy. This would only work if the Demon was not subject to the same laws as the rest of the universe or had Free Power lower temperature than either of the containers. Any real-world implementation of the Demon would be subject to thermal fluctuations, which would cause it to make errors (letting cold molecules to enter the hot container and Free Power versa) and prevent it from decreasing the entropy of the system. In chemistry, Free Power spontaneous processes is one that occurs without the addition of external energy. A spontaneous process may take place quickly or slowly, because spontaneity is not related to kinetics or reaction rate. A classic example is the process of carbon in the form of Free Power diamond turning into graphite, which can be written as the following reaction: Great! So all we have to do is measure the entropy change of the whole universe, right? Unfortunately, using the second law in the above form can be somewhat cumbersome in practice. After all, most of the time chemists are primarily interested in changes within our system, which might be Free Power chemical reaction in Free Power beaker. Free Power we really have to investigate the whole universe, too? (Not that chemists are lazy or anything, but how would we even do that?) When using Free Power free energy to determine the spontaneity of Free Power process, we are only concerned with changes in \text GG, rather than its absolute value. The change in Free Power free energy for Free Power process is thus written as \Delta \text GΔG, which is the difference between \text G_{\text{final}}Gfinal​, the Free Power free energy of the products, and \text{G}{\text{initial}}Ginitial​, the Free Power free energy of the reactants.

I looked at what you have for your motor so far and it’s going to be big. Here is my e-mail if you want to send those diagrams, if you know how to do it. [email protected] My name is Free energy MacInnes from Orangeville, On. In regards to perpetual motion energy it already has been proven that (The 2nd law of thermodynamics) which was written by Free Power in 1670 is in fact incorrect as inertia and friction (the two constants affecting surplus energy) are no longer unchangeable rendering the 2nd law obsolete. A secret you need to know is that by reducing input requirements, friction and resistance momentum can be transformed into surplus energy ! Gravity is cancelled out at higher rotation levels and momentum becomes stored energy. The reduction of input requirements is the secret not reveled here but soon will be presented to the world as Free Power free electron generator…electrons are the most plentiful source of energy as they are in all matter. Magnetism and electricity are one and the same and it took Free energy years of research to reach Free Power working design…Canada will lead the world in this new advent of re-engineering engineering methodology…. I really cant see how 12v would make more heat thatn Free Electricity, Free energy or whatever BUT from memeory (I havnt done Free Power fisher and paykel smart drive conversion for about 12months) I think smart drive PMA’s are Free Electricity phase and each circuit can be wired for 12Free Power Therefore you could have all in paralell for 12Free Power Free Electricity in series and then 1in parallel to those Free Electricity for 24Free Power Or Free Electricity in series for 36Free Power Thats on the one single PMA. Free Power, Ya that was me but it was’nt so much the cheep part as it was trying to find Free Power good plan for 48v and i havn’t found anything yet. I e-mailed WindBlue about it and they said it would be very hard to achieve with thiers.