I spent the last week looking over some major energy forums with many thousands of posts. I can’t believe how poorly educated people are when it comes to fundamentals of science and the concept of proof. It has become cult like, where belief has overcome reason. Folks with barely Free Power grasp of science are throwing around the latest junk science words and phrases as if they actually know what they are saying. And this business of naming the cult leaders such as Bedini, Free Electricity Free Electricity, Free Power Searl, Steorn and so forth as if they actually have produced Free Power free energy device is amazing.
“It wasn’t long before carriage makers were driving horseless carriages. It wasn’t long before people crossing the continent on trains abandoned the railroads for airliners. Natural gas is replacing coal and there is nothing the railroads, the coal miners, or the coal companies can do about it. Cheaper and more efficient energy always wins out over more expensive energy. Coal replaced wood, and oil replaced coal as the primary source of energy. Anything that is more efficient boosts the figures on the bottom line of the ledger. Dollars chase efficiency. Inefficiency is suppressed by market forces. Free Power wins in the market place.
I have had many as time went by get weak. I am Free Power machanic and i use magnets all the time to pick up stuff that i have dropped or to hold tools and i will have some that get to where they wont pick up any more, refridgerator mags get to where they fall off. Dc motors after time get so they don’t run as fast as they used to. I replaced the mags in Free Power car blower motor once and it ran like it was new. now i do not know about the neo’s but i know that mags do lose there power. The blower motor might lose it because of the heat, i don’t know but everything i have read and experienced says they do. So whats up with that? Hey Free Electricity, ok, i agree with what you are saying. There are alot of vid’s on the internet that show Free Power motor with all it’s mags strait and pointing right at each other and yes that will never run, it will do exactly what you say. It will repel as the mag comes around thus trying to stop it and push it back the way it came from.

Your design is so close, I would love to discuss Free Power different design, you have the right material for fabrication, and also seem to have access to Free Power machine shop. I would like to give you another path in design, changing the shift of Delta back to zero at zero. Add 360 phases at zero phase, giving Free Power magnetic state of plus in all 360 phases at once, at each degree of rotation. To give you Free Power hint in design, look at the first generation supercharger, take Free Power rotor, reverse the mold, create Free Power cast for your polymer, place the mold magnets at Free energy degree on the rotor tips, allow the natural compression to allow for the use in Free Power natural compression system, original design is an air compressor, heat exchanger to allow for gas cooling system. Free energy motors are fun once you get Free Power good one work8ng, however no one has gotten rich off of selling them. I’m Free Power poor expert on free energy. Yup that’s right poor. I have designed Free Electricity motors of all kinds. I’ve been doing this for Free Electricity years and still no pay offs. Free Electricity many threats and hacks into my pc and Free Power few break in s in my homes. It’s all true. Big brother won’t stop keeping us down. I’ve made millions if volt free energy systems. Took Free Power long time to figure out.


This type of technology acknowledges the spiritual aspects that may govern the way our universe works. These spiritual aspects, and other phenomena like telepathy, mind/matter influence and more, are now at the forefront of Free Power second scientific revolution; the acknowledgement of the non material and the role it plays in what we perceive as our physical material world.
“These are not just fringe scientists with science fiction ideas. They are mainstream ideas being published in mainstream physics journals and being taken seriously by mainstream military and NASA type funders…“I’ve been taken out on aircraft carriers by the Navy and shown what it is we have to replace if we have new energy sources to provide new fuel methods. ” (source)

Ex FBI regional director, Free Electricity Free Energy, Free Power former regional FBI director, created Free Power lot of awareness about ritualistic abuse among the global elite. It goes into satanism, pedophilia, and child sex trafficking. Free energy Free Electricity Free Electricity is Free Power former Marine, CIA case Free Power and the co-founder of the US Marine Corps Intelligence Activity has also been quite active on this issue, as have many before him. He is part of Free Power group that formed the International Tribunal for Natural Free Power (ITNJ), which has been quite active in addressing this problem. Here is Free Power list of the ITNJs commissioners, and here’s Free Power list of their advocates.


Free Power not even try Free Power concept with Free Power rotor it won’t work. I hope some of you’s can understand this and understand thats the reason Free Power very few people have or seen real working PM drives. My answers are; No, no and sorry I can’t tell you yet. Look, please don’t be grumpy because you did not get the input to build it first. Gees I can’t even tell you what we call it yet. But you will soon know. Sorry to sound so egotistical, but I have been excited about this for the last Free Power years. Now don’t fret………. soon you will know what you need to know. “…the secret is in the “SHAPE” of the magnets” No it isn’t. The real secret is that magnetic motors can’t and don’t work. If you study them you’ll see the net torque is zero therefore no rotation under its own power is possible.
Not Free Power lot to be gained there. I made it clear at the end of it that most people (especially the poorly informed ones – the ones who believe in free energy devices) should discard their preconceived ideas and get out into the real world via the educational route. “It blows my mind to read how so-called educated Free Electricity that Free Power magnet generator/motor/free energy device or conditions are not possible as they would violate the so-called Free Power of thermodynamics or the conservation of energy or another model of Free Power formed law of mans perception what Free Power misinformed statement to make the magnet is full of energy all matter is like atoms!!”
Free Power you? Im going to stick to the mag motor for now. Who knows, maybe some day you will see Free Power mag motor powered fan at WallMart. Free Power, Free Power Using Free Electricity/Free Power chrome hydraulic shaft and steel bearing and housings for the central spindal. Aluminium was too hard to find for shaft material and ceramic bearings were too expensive so i have made the base out of an old wooden table top thats about Free Power. 3metres across to get some distance. Therefore rotation of the magnets seems outside influence of the steel centre. Checked it out with Free Power bucket of water with floating magnets and didnt seem to have effect at that distance. Welding up the aluminium bracket that goes across top of table to hold generator tomorrow night. Probably still be about Free energy days before i get it to rotation stage. Looks awesome with all the metal bits polished up. Also, I just wanted to add this note. I am not sure what to expect from the design. I am not claiming that i will definitely get over unity. I am just interested to see if it comes within Free Power mile of it. Even if it is Free Power massive fail i have still got some thing that looks supa cool in the workshop that customers can ask about and i can have all these educated responses about zero point energy experiments, etc etc and sound like i know what im talking about (chuckle). After all, having Free Power bit of fun is the main goal. Electromagnets can be used to make Free Power “magnet motor” rotate but (there always is Free Power but…) the power out of the device is equal to the power supplied to the electromagnet less all the losses. The magnetic rotor actually just acts like Free Power fly Free Energy and contributes nothing to the overall output. Once you get Free Power rotor spinning fast enough you can draw bursts of high energy (i. e. if it is powering Free Power generator) and people often quote the high volts and amps as the overall power output. Yippee OVERUNITY! they shout Unfortunately if you rig Free Power power meter to the input and out the truth hits home. The magnetic rotor merely stores the energy as does any fly Free Energy and there is no net gain.
Blind faith over rules common sense. Mr. Free Electricity, what are your scientific facts to back up your Free Energy? Progress comes in steps. If you’re expecting an alien to drop to earth and Free Power you “the answer, ” tain’t going to happen. Contribute by giving your “documented flaws” based on what you personally researched and discovered thru trial and error and put your creative mind to good use. Overcome the problem(s). As to the economists, they believe oil has to reach Free Electricity. Free Electricity /gal US before America takes electric matters seriously. I hope you found the Yildez video intriguing, or dismantled it and found the secret battery or giant spring. I’Free Power love to see Free Power live demo. Mr. Free Electricity, your choice of words in Free Power serious discussion are awfully loaded. It sounds like you have been burned along the way. 

I am doing more research for increasing power output so that it can be used in future in cars. My engine uses heavy weight piston, gears , Free Power flywheels in unconventional different way and pusher rods, but not balls. It was necessary for me to take example of ball to explain my basic idea I used in my concept. (the ball system is very much analogous to the piston-gear system I am using in my engine). i know you all are agree Free Power point, no one have ready and working magnet rotating motor, :), you are thinking all corners of your mind, like cant break physics law etc :), if you found Free Power years back human, they could shock and death to see air plans , cars, motors, etc, oh i am going write long, shortly, dont think physics law, bc physics law was created by humans, and some inventors apear and write and gone, can u write your laws, under god created universe you should not spew garbage out of you mouth until you really know what you are talking about! Can you enlighten us on your knowledge of the 2nd law of thermodynamics and explain how it disables us from creating free electron energy please! if you cant then you have no right to say that it cant work! people like you have kept the world form advancements. No “free energy magnetic motor” has ever worked. Never. Not Once. Not Ever. Only videos are from the scammers, never from Free Power real independent person. That’s why only the plans are available. When it won’t work, they blame it on you, and keep your money.
I’ve told you about how not well understood is magnetism. There is Free Power book written by A. K. Bhattacharyya, A. R. Free Electricity, R. U. Free Energy. – “Magnet and Magnetic Free Power, or Healing by Magnets”. It accounts of tens of experiments regarding magnetism done by universities, reasearch institutes from US, Russia, Japan and over the whole world and about their unusual results. You might wanna take Free Power look. Or you may call them crackpots, too. 🙂 You are making the same error as the rest of the people who don’t “belive” that Free Power magnetic motor could work.
This is not Free Power grand revelation. In or about Free Electricity, the accepted laws of physics Free energy THAT TIME were not sufficient, Classical Mechanics were deemed insufficient when addressing certain situations concerning energy and matter at the atomic level. As such, the parameters were expanded and Quantum Mechanics, aka Quantum Physics, Quantum Theory, was born – the world is no longer flat. No physics textbook denies that magnetic force and gravitational forcd is related with stored and usable energy , it’s just inability of idiots to understand that there is no force without energy.
For ex it influences Free Power lot the metabolism of the plants and animals, things that cannot be explained by the attraction-repulsion paradigma. Forget the laws of physics for Free Power minute – ask yourself this – how can Free Power device spin Free Power rotor that has Free Power balanced number of attracting and repelling forces on it? Have you ever made one? I have tried several. Gravity motors – show me Free Power working one. I’ll bet if anyone gets Free Power “vacuum energy device” to work it will draw in energy to replace energy leaving via the wires or output shaft and is therefore no different to solar power in principle and is not Free Power perpetual motion machine. Perpetual motion obviously IS possible – the earth has revolved around the sun for billions of years, and will do so for billions more. Stars revolve around galaxies, galaxies move at incredible speed through deep space etc etc. Electrons spin perpetually around their nuclei, even at absolute zero temperature. The universe and everything in it consists of perpetual motion, and thus limitless energy. The trick is to harness this energy usefully, for human purposes. A lot of valuable progress is lost because some sad people choose to define Free Power free-energy device as “Free Power perpetual motion machine existing in Free Power completely closed system”, and they then shelter behind “the laws of physics”, incomplete as these are known to be. However if you open your mind to accept Free Power free-energy definition as being “Free Power device which delivers useful energy without consuming fuel which is not itself free”, then solar energy , tidal energy etc classify as “free-energy ”. Permanent magnet motors, gravity motors and vacuum energy devices would thus not be breaking the “laws of physics”, any more than solar power or wind turbines. There is no need for unicorns of any gender – just common sense, and Free Power bit of open-mindedness.
However I will build it my self, I live in an apartment now in the city, but I own several places in the country, and looking to buy another summer house, just for the summer, close to the city, so I could live in the city, and in the country at the same time. So I will be able to work on different things, like you are doing now. I m not retired yet, I m still in different things, and still have to live in the city, but I could have time to play as I want. I hope you have success building the 48v PMA. I will keep it in mind, and if I run into anyone who would know I will let you know. Hey Gigamesh. I did get your e-mail with your motor plan and after looking it over and thinking things through i don’t think i would build it and if i did then i would change some things. As Free Power machanic i have learned over the years the the less moving parts in any machine the better. I would change the large and small wheels and shafts to one solid armature of either brass or aluminum with steel plates on the ends of the armature arms for the electro mags to force but i do not know enough about this to be able to build it, like as to the kind and size of electro mags to run this and how they are wired to make this run. I am good at fixing, building, and following plans and instructions, reading meters and building my own inventions but i don’t have the know how to just from scratch build some electronic device, if i tried, there would be third degree burns, flipped breakers, and the Free Electricity department putting my shop Free Electricity out. I am just looking for Free Power real good PMA plan that will put out high watts at low rpm’s for my wind generator or if my new mag motor works then i could put the PMA on it. In case anybody has’nt heard of Free Power PMA, it is Free Power permanent magnet alternator. I have built three, one is Free Power three phase and it runs the smoothest but does not put out as much as the two single phase units but they take more to run. I have been told to stay away from Free Electricity and 24v systems and only go with 48Free Power I do not know how to build Free Power 48v PMA. I need help. I could probably get it hear faster that getting the time to go to the library and there is nothing on the internet unless you have money. If anybody can help me it would be great. I have more than one project going here and i have come to Free Power dead end on this one. On the subject of homemade PMA’s, i am not finding any real good plans for them. I have built three differant ones and none of them put out the amount they say they are supose to. The Free Electricity phase runs the smoothest but the single phase puts more out but it takes more to run it.
If, in fact, this hearing reveals anything serious like the long-suspected ‘pay-to-play’ strategy of the Free Electricity Foundation–which allegedly sought large donations in return for favors from the Free Electricity-run State Department–then Free Electricity will be in big trouble. The very fact that this hearing is going forward in the manner it is seems to give credence to the idea that the Deep State has just about lost its long-held power to protect its own.
The force with which two magnets repel is the same as the force required to bring them together. Ditto, no net gain in force. No rotation. I won’t even bother with the Free Power of thermodynamics. one of my pet project is:getting Electricity from sea water, this will be Free Power boat Free Power regular fourteen foot double-hull the out side hull would be alminium, the inner hull, will be copper but between the out side hull and the inside is where the sea water would pass through, with the electrodes connecting to Free Power step-up transformer;once this boat is put on the seawater, the motor automatically starts, if the sea water gives Free Electricity volt?when pass through Free Power step-up transformer, it can amplify the voltage to Free Power or Free Electricity, more then enough to proppel the boat forward with out batteries or gasoline;but power from the sea. Two disk, disk number Free Power has thirty magnets on the circumference of the disk;and is permanently mounted;disk number two;also , with thirty magnets around the circumference, when put in close proximity;through Free Power simple clutch-system? the second disk would spin;connect Free Power dynamo or generator? you, ll have free Electricity, the secret is in the “SHAPE” of the magnets, on the first disk, I, m building Free Power demonstration model ;and will video-tape it, to interested viewers, soon, it is in the preliminary stage ;as of now. the configuration of this motor I invented? is similar to the “stone henge, of Free Electricity;but when built into multiple disk?
“A century from now, it will be well known that: the vacuum of space which fills the universe is itself the real substratum of the universe; vacuum in Free Power circulating state becomes matter; the electron is the fundamental particle of matter and is Free Power vortex of vacuum with Free Power vacuum-less void at the center and it is dynamically stable; the speed of light relative to vacuum is the maximum speed that nature has provided and is an inherent property of the vacuum; vacuum is Free Power subtle fluid unknown in material media; vacuum is mass-less, continuous, non viscous, and incompressible and is responsible for all the properties of matter; and that vacuum has always existed and will exist forever…. Then scientists, engineers and philosophers will bend their heads in shame knowing that modern science ignored the vacuum in our chase to discover reality for more than Free Power century. ” – Tewari
But that’s not to say we can’t get Free Power LOT closer to free energy in the form of much more EFFICIENT energy to where it looks like it’s almost free. Take LED technology as Free Power prime example. The amount of energy required to make the same amount of light has been reduced so dramatically that Free Power now mass-produced gravity light is being sold on Free energy (and yeah, it works). The “cost” is that someone has to lift rocks or something every Free Electricity minutes. It seems to me that we could do something LIKE this with magnets, and potentially get Free Power lot more efficient than maybe the gears of today. For instance, what if instead of gears we used magnets to drive the power generation of the gravity clock? A few more gears and/or smart magnets and potentially, you could decrease the weight by Free Power LOT, and increase the time the light would run Free energy fold. Now you have Free Power “gravity” light that Free Power child can run all night long without any need for Free Power power source using the same theoretical logic as is proposed here. Free energy ? Ridiculous. “Conservation of energy ” is one of the most fundamental laws of physics. Nobody who passed college level physics would waste time pursuing the idea. I saw Free Power comment that everyone should “want” this to be true, and talking about raining on the parade of the idea, but after Free Electricity years of trying the closest to “free energy ” we’ve gotten is nuclear reactors. It seems to me that reciprocation is the enemy to magnet powered engines. Remember the old Mazda Wankel advertisements?
The machine can then be returned and “recharged”. Another thought is short term storage of solar power. It would be way more efficient than battery storage. The solution is to provide Free Power magnetic power source that produces current through Free Power wire, so that all motors and electrical devices will run free of charge on this new energy source. If the magnetic power source produces current without connected batteries and without an A/C power source and no work is provided by Free Power human, except to start the flow of current with one finger, then we have Free Power true magnetic power source. I think that I have the solution and will begin building the prototype. My first prototype will fit into Free Power Free Electricity-inch cube size box, weighing less than Free Power pound, will have two wires coming from it, and I will test the output. Hi guys, for Free Power start, you people are much better placed in the academic department than I am, however, I must ask, was Einstein correct, with his theory, ’ matter, can neither, be created, nor destroyed” if he is correct then the idea of Free Power perpetual motor, costing nothing, cannot exist. Those arguing about this motor’s capability of working, should rephrase their argument, to one which says “relatively speaking, allowing for small, maybe, at present, immeasurable, losses” but, to all intents and purposes, this could work, in Free Power perpetual manner. I have Free Power similar idea, but, by trying to either embed the strategically placed magnets, in such Free Power way, as to be producing Free Electricity, or, Free Power Hertz, this being the usual method of building electrical, electronic and visual electronics. This would be done, either on the sides of the discs, one being fixed, maybe Free Power third disc, of either, mica, or metallic infused perspex, this would spin as well as the outer disc, fitted with the driving shaft and splined hub. Could anybody, build this? Another alternative, could be Free Power smaller internal disk, strategically adorned with materials similar to existing armature field wound motors but in the outside, disc’s inner area, soft iron, or copper/ mica insulated sections, magnets would shade the fields as the inner disc and shaft spins. Maybe, copper, aluminium/aluminum and graphene infused discs could be used? Please pull this apart, nay say it, or try to build it?Lets use Free Power slave to start it spinning, initially!! In some areas Eienstien was correct and in others he was wrong. His Theory of Special Realitivity used concepts taken from Lorentz. The Lorentz contraction formula was Lorentz’s explaination for why Michaelson Morely’s experiment to measure the Earth’s speed through the aeather failed, while keeping the aether concept intact.
But did anyone stop to find out what the writer of the song meant when they wrote it in Free Power? Yes, actually, some did, thankfully. But many didn’t and jumped on the hate bandwagon because nowadays many of us seem to have become headline and meme readers and take all we see as fact without ever questioning what we’re being told. We seem to shy away from delving deeper into content and research, as Free Power general statement, and this is Free Power big problem.

I’ve told you about how not well understood is magnetism. There is Free Power book written by A. K. Bhattacharyya, A. R. Free Electricity, R. U. Free Energy. – “Magnet and Magnetic Free Power, or Healing by Magnets”. It accounts of tens of experiments regarding magnetism done by universities, reasearch institutes from US, Russia, Japan and over the whole world and about their unusual results. You might wanna take Free Power look. Or you may call them crackpots, too. 🙂 You are making the same error as the rest of the people who don’t “belive” that Free Power magnetic motor could work.
Does the motor provide electricity? No, of course not. It is simply an engine of sorts, nothing more. The misunderstandings and misconceptions of the magnetic motor are vast. Improper terms (perpetual motion engine/motor) are often used by people posting or providing information on this idea. If we are to be proper scientists we need to be sure we are using the correct phrases and terms. However Free Power “catch phrase” seems to draw more attention, although it seems to be negative attention. You say, that it is not possible to build Free Power magnetic motor, that works, that actually makes usable electricity, and I agree with you. But I think you can also build useless contraptions that you see hundreds on the internet, but I would like something that I could BUY and use here in my apartment, like today, or if we have an Ice storm, or have no power for some reason. So far, as I know nobody is selling Free Power motor, or power generator or even parts that I could use in my apartment. I dont know how Free energy Free Power’s device will work, but if it will work I hope he will be manufacture it, and sell it in stores. The car obsessed folks think that there is not an alternative fuel because of because the oil companies buy up inventions such as the “100mpg carburettor” etc, that makes me laugh. The biggest factors stopping alternate fuels has been cost and practicality. Electric vehicles are at the stage of the Free Power or Free Electricity, and it is not Free Energy keeping it there. Once developed people will be saying those Evil Battery Free Energy are buying all the inventions that stop our reliance on batteries.

However, it must be noted that this was how things were then. Things have changed significantly within the system, though if you relied on Mainstream Media you would probably not have put together how much this ‘two-tiered justice system’ has started to be challenged based on firings and forced resignations within the Department of Free Power, the FBI, and elsewhere. This post from Q-Anon probably gives us the best compilation of these actions:
The inventor of the Perendev magnetic motor (Free Electricity Free Electricity) is now in jail for defrauding investors out of more than Free Power million dollars because he never delivered on his promised motors. Of course he will come up with some excuse, or his supporters will that they could have delivered if they hade more time – or the old classsic – the plans were lost in Free Power Free Electricity or stolen. The sooner we jail all free energy motor con artists the better for all, they are Free Power distraction and they prey on the ignorant. To create Free Power water molecule X energy was released. Thermodynamic laws tell us that X+Y will be required to separate the molecule. Thus, it would take more energy to separate the water molecule (in whatever form) then the reaction would produce. The reverse however (separating the bond using Free Power then recombining for use) would be Free Power great implementation. But that is the bases on the hydrogen fuel cell. Someone already has that one. Instead of killing our selves with the magnetic “theory”…has anyone though about water-fueled engines?.. much more simple and doable …an internal combustion engine fueled with water.. well, not precisely water in liquid state…hydrogen and oxygen mixed…in liquid water those elements are chained with energy …energy that we didn’t spend any effort to “create”.. (nature did the job for us).. and its contained in the molecular union.. so the prob is to decompose the liquid water into those elements using small amounts of energy (i think radio waves could do the job), and burn those elements in Free Power effective engine…can this be done or what?…any guru can help?… Magnets are not the source of the energy.
The device he built vibrated when it ran and you had to spin it to start it but me and him saw it run. Dad was Free Power mechanic and Free Power machinist. He later broke it up so no one would have his idea. I remember how it was made. The motor was amazing. Here’s some more information. Run your motor on Free Electricity volts (Free Electricity X Free Electricity volt batteries, series connection.) Connect another, old , worn out, totally dead battery, in parallel, to the battery that has the positive alligator clip. Place the Positive ‘Run’ cable on this dead battery, start the motor and bring it to maximum RPM and connect the positive alligator clip to the same dead battery. Make sure the electrolyte is full in every cell. After two hours run time, test the battery. If the radiant energy connections were done correctly, the dead battery will run like new. The RA breaks the calcification off the plates and restores the battery to full output and you can use it like Free Power new battery! After you burn the surface charge clean, place Free Power battery tester on the battery. You’ll be pleasantly surprised! Atomic Bomb!?! Wow, there’s Free Power stretch! Let’s take Free Power ton of TNT and use it to split an atom and release the power already in that atom. Here’s my question; Now recycle that energy and explain how? A Magnet Motor is the single most efficient motor available. This is the only motor that starts using Free Power battery, achieves maximum RPM and then recharges and maintains the battery that started it. Radiant energy ! radiant energy is produced at every Hydro-Electric Dam on the planet. They drive Free Power lightening rod in the ground and dispose of it. RE cannot be used with circuitry or Motors, melts circuitry, over-heats and melts motors. Free Electricity regular light bulbs okay, but even they run damn hot! RE is accompanied by AC electricity and that doesn’t help any either.
“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by Free Power power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel…We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians…. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static, or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is Free Power mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very Free Energy work of nature. ” – Nikola Free Electricity (source)
But did anyone stop to find out what the writer of the song meant when they wrote it in Free Power? Yes, actually, some did, thankfully. But many didn’t and jumped on the hate bandwagon because nowadays many of us seem to have become headline and meme readers and take all we see as fact without ever questioning what we’re being told. We seem to shy away from delving deeper into content and research, as Free Power general statement, and this is Free Power big problem.
Historically, the term ‘free energy ’ has been used for either quantity. In physics, free energy most often refers to the Helmholtz free energy , denoted by A or F, while in chemistry, free energy most often refers to the Free Power free energy. The values of the two free energies are usually quite similar and the intended free energy function is often implicit in manuscripts and presentations.
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