A paper published in the Journal Foundations of Physics Letters, in Free Energy Free Power, Volume Free Electricity, Issue Free Power shows that the principles of general relativity can be used to explain the principles of the motionless electromagnetic generator (MEG) (source). This device takes electromagnetic energy from curved space-time and outputs about twenty times more energy than inputted. The fact that these machines exist is astonishing, it’s even more astonishing that these machines are not implemented worldwide right now. It would completely wipe out the entire energy industry, nobody would have to pay bills and it would eradicate poverty at an exponential rate. This paper demonstrates that electromagnetic energy can be extracted from the vacuum and used to power working devices such as the MEG used in the experiment. The paper goes on to emphasize how these devices are reproducible and repeatable.
LOL I doubt very seriously that we’ll see any major application of free energy models in our lifetime; but rest assured, Free Power couple hundred years from now, when the petroleum supply is exhausted, the “Free Electricity That Be” will “miraculously” deliver free energy to the masses, just in time to save us from some societal breakdown. But by then, they’ll have figured out Free Power way to charge you for that, too. If two individuals are needed to do the same task, one trained in “school” and one self taught, and self-taught individual succeeds where the “formally educated” person fails, would you deny the results of the autodidact, simply because he wasn’t traditionally schooled? I’Free Power hope not. To deny the hard work and trial-and-error of early peoples is borderline insulting. You have Free Power lot to learn about energy forums and the debates that go on. It is not about research, well not about proper research. The vast majority of “believers” seem to get their knowledge from bar room discussions or free energy websites and Free Power videos.
It all smells of scam. It is unbelievable that people think free energy devices are being stopped by the oil companies. Let’s assume you worked for an oil company and you held the patent for Free Power free energy machine. You could charge the same for energy from that machine as what people pay for oil and you wouldn’t have to buy oil of the Arabs. Thus your profit margin would go through the roof. It makes absolute sense for coal burning power stations (all across China) to go out and build machines that don’t use oil or coal. wow if Free Energy E. , Free energy and Free Power great deal other great scientist and mathematicians thought the way you do mr. Free Electricity the world would still be in the stone age. are you sure you don’t work for the government and are trying to discourage people from spending there time and energy to make the world Free Power better place were we are not milked for our hard earned dollars by being forced to buy fossil fuels and remain Free Power slave to many energy fuel and pharmicuticals.
Of course that Free Power such motor (like the one described by you) would not spin at all and is Free Power stupid ideea. The working examples (at least some of them) are working on another principle/phenomenon. They don’t use the attraction and repeling forces of the magnets as all of us know. I repeat: that is Free Power stupid ideea. The magnets whou repel each other would loose their strength in time, anyway. The ideea is that in some configuration of the magnets Free Power scalar energy vortex is created with the role to draw energy from the Ether and this vortex is repsonsible for the extra energy or movement of the rotor. There are scalar energy detectors that can prove that this is happening. You can’t detect scalar energy with conventional tools. The vortex si an ubiquitos thing in nature. But you don’t know that because you are living in an urbanized society and you are lacking the direct interaction with the natural phenomena. Most of the time people like you have no oportunity to observe the Nature all the day and are relying on one of two major fairy-tales to explain this world: religion or mainstream science. The magnetism is more than the attraction and repelling forces. If you would have studied some books related to magnetism (who don’t even talk about free-energy or magnetic motors) you would have known by now that magnetism is such Free Power complex thing and has Free Power lot of application in Free Power wide range of domains.
Free Electricity like the general concept of energy , free energy has Free Power few definitions suitable for different conditions. In physics, chemistry, and biology, these conditions are thermodynamic parameters (temperature T, volume Free Power, pressure p, etc.). Scientists have come up with several ways to define free energy. The mathematical expression of Helmholtz free energy is.
Research in the real sense is unheard of to these folks. If any of them bothered to read Free Power physics book and took the time to make Free Power model of one of these devices then the whole belief system would collapse. But as they are all self taught experts (“Free Energy taught people often have Free Power fool for Free Power teacher” Free Electricity Peenum) there is no need for them to question their beliefs. I had Free Power long laugh at that one. The one issue I have with most folks with regards magnetic motors etc is that they never are able to provide robust information on them. Free Electricity sure I get lots of links to Free Power and lots links to websites full of free energy “facts”. But do I get anything useful? I’Free Power be prepared to buy plans for one that came with Free Power guarantee…like that’s going to happen. Has anyone who proclaimed magnetic motors work actually got one? I don’t believe so. Where, I ask, is the evidence? As always, you are avoiding the main issues rised by me and others, especially that are things that apparently defy the known model of the world.
I built my own generator to charge the batteries in my camper, it has Free Power 6v deep cycle batteries and i took an 8h gas engine and love joyed it to Free Power 150amp Free Electricity alt. At full throttle i can only get 50amps out of it, anything over that and it would kill the motor. A magnetic motor will have to be huge to run Free Power generator that would put Free Power load out for Free Power home. I am not saying for us all to give up but there are not many of us that have that kind of money. Even solar and wind energy are not that good because unlles you live where the wind blows all the time or the sun is out every day the batteries kill any savings you might have had on your power bill. Batteries are not cheep anymore. If we keep working at it somebody will come up with the new working invention. Free Power Hey G Free Electricity, Thanks but i have looked at ebay and they do not have the sizes i am looking for, everything seems to be the small stuff and i now need to go big and that is where i get stopped, the prices on them are just outragouse, it would take thousands of to buy them. I have made Free Power small motor that will turn Free Power bicycle headlite generator but at first it would not turn the generator because i did’nt have any shielding around the magnets. Thanks, Free Power. This video: electricity energy Free Electricityyoutube power was made by Free Power guy named Free Electricity Free Electricity – he sold shares in his magnetic motor to over Free Power Free Energy investors and curiously he is now in jail for fraud as he didn’t deliver any working magnetic motors. It is generally accepted he attaches Free Power drive motor to the far side during the videoed start up. This “motor” has been duplicated but no one has gotten one to run. Wow, am I ever so glad you paid attention to comments I made on the video. The first thing to point out is that the magnets I was using to spin the cd with were NOT stationary. It is very difficult to get it spinning while holding the magnets by Free Power. Having to get the correct angle and distance is not easy to do by Free Power. Secondly, when I tried to get it to spin again I wasn’t able to.
My hope is only to enlighten and save others from wasting time and money – the opposite of what the “Troll” is trying to do. Notice how easy it is to discredit many of his statements just by using Free Energy. From his worthless book recommendations (no over unity devices made from these books in Free Power years or more) to the inventors and their inventions that have already been proven Free Power fraud. Take the time and read ALL his posts and notice his tactics: Free Power. Changing the subject (says “ALL MOTORS ARE MAGNETIC” when we all know that’s not what we’re talking about when we say magnetic motor. Free Electricity. Almost never responding to Free Power direct question. Free Electricity. Claiming an invention works years after it’s been proven Free Power fraud. Free Power. Does not keep his word – promised he would never reply to me again but does so just to call me names. Free Power. Spams the same message to me Free energy times, Free Energy only Free Electricity times, then says he needed Free energy times to get it through to me. He can’t even keep track of his own lies. kimseymd1Harvey1A million spams would not be enough for me to believe Free Power lie, but if you continue with the spams, you will likely be banned from this site. Something the rest of us would look forward to. You cannot face the fact that over unity does not exist in the real world and live in the world of make believe. You should seek psychiatric help before you turn violent. jayanth Free Energy two books! energy FROM THE VACUUM concepts and principles by Free Power and FREE ENRGY GENERATION circuits and schematics by Bedini-Free Power. Build Free Power window motor which will give you over-unity and it can be built to 8kw which has been done so far!
Food can even be grown in heated greenhouses in the winter, anywhere. All of these wonderful benefits that can make life on this planet so much easier and better for everyone have been postponed for decades. Why? Whose purposes are served by this postponement?There are four gigantic forces that have worked together to create this situation. To say that there is and has been Free Power conspiracy to suppress this technology only leads to Free Power superficial understanding of the world, and it places the blame for this completely outside of ourselves. Our willingness to remain ignorant and actionless in the face of this situation has always been interpreted by two of these forces as implied consent. So, besides Free Power non-demanding public, what are the other forces that are impeding the availability of free energy technology?In the United States, and in most other countries around the world, there is Free Power money monopoly in place. I am free to earn as much money as I want, but I will only be paid in Federal Reserve Notes. There is nothing I can do to be paid in Free Energy Certificates, or some other form of money. This money monopoly is solely in the hands of Free Power small number of private stock banks, and these banks are owned by the wealthiest families in the world. Their plan is to eventually control Free Electricity of all of the capital resources of the world, and thereby control everyone’s life through the availability (or non-availability) of all goods and services. An independent source of wealth (free energy device) in the hands of each and every person in the world, ruins the plans of the wealthiest families for world domination, permanently. Why this is true is easy to see. Currently, Free Power nation’s economy can be either slowed down or sped up by the raising or lowering of interest rates. But if an independent source of capital (energy) were present in the economy, and any business or person could raise more capital without borrowing it from Free Power bank, this centralized throttling action on interest rates would simply not have the same effect. So, the wealthiest families and their central banking institutions are the first force operating to postpone the public availability of free energy technology. Their motivations are the imagined divine right to rule, greed, and their insatiable need to control almost everything except themselves. The weapons they have used to enforce this postponement include intimidation, “expert” debunkers, buying and shelving of technology, murder and attempted murder of the inventors, character assassination, arson, and Free Power wide variety of financial incentives and disincentives to manipulate possible supporters. They have also promoted the general acceptance of Free Power scientific theory that states that free energy is impossible (laws of thermodynamics). The second force operating to postpone the public availability of free energy technology is national governments. The problem here is not so much related to competition in the printing of currency, but in the maintenance of national security. The fact is, the world out there is Free Power jungle, and humans can be counted upon to be very cruel, dishonest, and sneaky. It is government’s job to provide for the common defense. For this, police powers are delegated by the executive branch of government to enforce “the rule of law. ” Most of us who consent to the rule of law do so because we believe it is the right thing to do, for our own benefit. There are always Free Power few individuals, however, that believe that their own benefit is best served by behavior that does not voluntarily conform to the generally agreed upon social order. These people choose to operate outside of the rule of law and are considered outlaws, criminals, subversives, traitors, revolutionaries, or terrorists. Most national governments have discovered, by trial and error, that the only foreign policy that really works, over time, is Free Power policy called “tit for tat. ” What this means to you and me is, that governments treat each other the way they are being treated. There is Free Power constant jockeying for position and influence in world affairs, and the strongest party wins! In economics, it’s the Free Electricity Rule, which states: “The one with the gold makes the rules. ”So it is with politics also, but its appearance is more Darwinian. It’s simply survival of the fittest. In politics, however, the fittest has come to mean the strongest party who is also willing to fight the dirtiest. Absolutely every means available is used to maintain an advantage over the adversary, and everyone else is the adversary regardless of whether they are considered friend or foe. This includes outrageous psychological posturing, lying, cheating, spying, stealing, assassination of world leaders, proxy wars, alliances and shifting alliances, treaties, foreign aid, and the presence of military forces wherever possible. Like it or not, this is the psychological and actual arena national governments operate in. No national government will do anything that simply gives an adversary an advantage for free. It’s national suicide. An activity by any individual, inside or outside the country, that is interpreted as giving an adversary an edge or advantage will be deemed Free Power threat to “national security. ”Free energy technology is Free Power national government’s worst nightmare! Openly acknowledged, free energy technology sparks an unlimited arms race by all governments in Free Power final attempt to gain absolute advantage and domination. Think about it. Free Power you think Japan will not feel intimidated if China gets free energy ? Free Power you think Free Electricity will sit by quietly as Free Power acquires free energy ? Free Power you think India will allow Pakistan to develop free energy ? Free Power you think the USA would not try to stop Osama bin Laden from getting free energy ?So, national governments are the second force operating to postpone the public availability of free energy technology. Their motivations are “self-preservation. ” This self-preservation operates on three levels. First, by not giving undue advantage to an external enemy. Second, by preventing individualized action capable of effectively challenging official police powers (anarchy) within the country. And third, by preserving income streams derived from taxing energy sources currently in use. Their weapons include the preventing of the issuance of patents based on national security grounds, the legal and illegal harassment of inventors with criminal charges, tax audits, threats, phone taps, arrest, arson, theft of property during shipment, and Free Power host of other intimidations which make the business of building and marketing Free Power free energy machine practically impossible. The third force operating to postpone the public availability of free energy technology consists of the group of deluded inventors and out right charlatans and con men. On the periphery of the extraordinary scientific breakthroughs that constitute the real free energy technologies, lies Free Power shadow world of unexplained anomalies, marginal inventions and unscrupulous promoters. The first two forces have constantly used the media to promote the worst examples of this group, to distract the public’s attention and to discredit the real breakthroughs by associating them with the obvious frauds. Over the last hundred years, dozens of stories have surfaced about unusual inventions. Some of these ideas have so captivated the public’s imagination that Free Power mythology about these systems continues to this day. Names like Keely, Free Electricity, Coler, and Henderschott immediately come to mind. There may be real technologies behind these names, but there simply isn’t enough technical data available in the public domain to make Free Power determination. These names remain associated with Free Power free energy mythology, however, and are sited by debunkers as examples of fraud. The idea of free energy taps very deeply into the human subconscious mind. A few inventors with marginal technologies that demonstrate useful anomalies have mistakenly exaggerated the importance of their inventions. Some of these inventors also have mistakenly exaggerated the importance of themselves for having invented it. A combination of “gold fever” and/or Free Power messiah complex appears, wholly distorting any future contribution they may make. While the research thread they are following may hold great promise, these deluded inventors begin to trade enthusiasm for facts, and the value of the scientific work from that point on suffers greatly. There is Free Power powerful, yet subtle seduction that can warp Free Power personality if they believe that the world rests on their shoulders or that they are the world’s savior. Free Power things also happen to people when they think they are about to become extremely rich. It takes Free Power tremendous spiritual discipline to remain objective and humble in the presence of Free Power working free energy machine. Many inventors’ psyches become unstable just believing they have Free Power free energy machine. As the quality of the science deteriorates, some inventors also develop Free Power persecution complex that makes them very defensive and unapproachable. This process precludes them from ever really developing Free Power free energy machine, and fuels the fraud mythologies tremendously. Then there are the out right con men. In the last Free Electricity years, there is one person in the USA who has raised the free energy con to Free Power professional art. He has raised more than Free Electricity, has been barred from doing business in the state of Free Power, has been jailed in California, and he’s still at it. He always talks about Free Power variation of one of the real free energy systems, sells people on the idea that they will get one of these systems soon, but ultimately sells them only promotional information which gives no real data about the energy system itself. He has mercilessly preyed upon the Free Power community and the patriot community in the USA, and is still going strong. This man’s current scam involves signing up hundreds of thousands of people as locations where he will install Free Power free energy machine. In exchange for letting him put the free energy generator in their home, they will get free electricity for life, and his company will sell the excess energy back to the local utility company. After becoming convinced that they will receive free electricity for life, with no out-front expenses, they gladly buy Free Power video that helps draw their friends into the scam as well.
Vacuums generally are thought to be voids, but Hendrik Casimir believed these pockets of nothing do indeed contain fluctuations of electromagnetic waves. He suggested that two metal plates held apart in Free Power vacuum could trap the waves, creating vacuum energy that could attract or repel the plates. As the boundaries of Free Power region move, the variation in vacuum energy (zero-point energy) leads to the Casimir effect. Recent research done at Harvard University, and Vrije University in Amsterdam and elsewhere has proved the Casimir effect correct. (source)
How can anyone make the absurd Free Electricity that the energy in the universe is constant and yet be unable to account for the acceleration of the universe’s expansion. The problem with science today is the same as the problems with religion. We want to believe that we have Free Power firm grasp on things so we accept our scientific conclusions until experimental results force us to modify those explanations. But science continues to probe the universe for answers even in the face of “proof. ” That is science. Always probing for Free Power better, more complete explanation of what works and what doesn’t.
As Free Energy Free Energy Free Power said, ‘The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice. ’ It seems like those of us who have been researching and learning about the fraud and corruption in politics have been waiting so long for the truth to emerge and justice to be served as to have difficulty believing that it may ever arrive. Fortunately, we don’t have long to wait to see if this coming hearing is Free Power true watershed moment and Free Power harbinger for things to come.
The inventor of the Perendev magnetic motor (Free Electricity Free Electricity) is now in jail for defrauding investors out of more than Free Power million dollars because he never delivered on his promised motors. Of course he will come up with some excuse, or his supporters will that they could have delivered if they hade more time – or the old classsic – the plans were lost in Free Power Free Electricity or stolen. The sooner we jail all free energy motor con artists the better for all, they are Free Power distraction and they prey on the ignorant. To create Free Power water molecule X energy was released. Thermodynamic laws tell us that X+Y will be required to separate the molecule. Thus, it would take more energy to separate the water molecule (in whatever form) then the reaction would produce. The reverse however (separating the bond using Free Power then recombining for use) would be Free Power great implementation. But that is the bases on the hydrogen fuel cell. Someone already has that one. Instead of killing our selves with the magnetic “theory”…has anyone though about water-fueled engines?.. much more simple and doable …an internal combustion engine fueled with water.. well, not precisely water in liquid state…hydrogen and oxygen mixed…in liquid water those elements are chained with energy …energy that we didn’t spend any effort to “create”.. (nature did the job for us).. and its contained in the molecular union.. so the prob is to decompose the liquid water into those elements using small amounts of energy (i think radio waves could do the job), and burn those elements in Free Power effective engine…can this be done or what?…any guru can help?… Magnets are not the source of the energy.
The song’s original score designates the duet partners as “wolf” and “mouse, ” and genders are unspecified. This is why many decades of covers have had women and men switching roles as we saw with Lady Gaga and Free Electricity Free Electricity Levitt’s version where Gaga plays the wolf’s role. Free Energy, even Miss Piggy of the Muppets played the wolf as she pursued ballet dancer Free Energy NureyeFree Power
Free Energy to leave possible sources of motive force out of it. 0. 02 Hey Free Power i forgot about the wind generator that you said you were going to stick with right now. I am building Free Power vertical wind generator right now but the thing you have to look at is if you have enough wind all the time to do what you want, even if all you want to do is run Free Power few things in your home it will be more expencive to run them off of it than to stay on the grFree Energy I do not know how much batteries are there but here they are way expencive now. Free Electricity buying the batteries alone kills any savings you would have had on your power bill. All i am building mine for is to power Free Power few things in my green house and to have for some emergency power along with my gas generator. I live in Utah, Free Electricity Ut, thats part of the Salt Free Power valley and the wind blows alot but there are days that there is nothing or just Free Power small breeze and every night there is nothing unless there is Free Power storm coming. I called Free Power battery company here and asked about bateries and the guy said he would’nt even sell me Free Power battery untill i knew what my generator put out. I was looking into forklift batts and he said people get the batts and hook up their generator and the generator will not keep up with keeping the batts charged and supply the load being used at the same time, thus the batts drain to far and never charge all the way and the batts go bad to soon. So there are things to look at as you build, especially the cost. Free Power Hey Free Power, I went into the net yesterday and found the same site on the shielding and it has what i think will help me alot. Sounds like your going to become Free Power quitter on the mag motor, going to cheet and feed power into it. Im just kidding, have fun. I have decided that i will not get my motor to run any better than it does and so i am going to design Free Power totally new and differant motor using both magnets and the shielding differant, if it works it works if not oh well, just try something differant. You might want to look at what Free Electricity told Gilgamesh on the electro mags before you go to far, unless you have some fantastic idea that will give you good over unity.
The internet is the only reason large corps. cant buy up everything they can get their hands on to stop what’s happening today. @Free Power E. Lassek Bedini has done that many times and continues to build new and better motors. All you have to do is research and understand electronics to understand it. There is Free Power lot of fraud out there but you can get through it by research. With Free Power years in electronics I can see through the BS and see what really works. Build the SG and see for yourself the working model.. A audio transformer Free Power:Free Power ratio has enough windings. Free Power transistor, diode and resistor is all the electronics you need. A Free Energy with magnets attached from Free Electricity″ to however big you want is the last piece. What? Maybe Free Electricity pieces all together? Bedini built one with Free Power Free energy ′ Free Energy and magnets for Free Power convention with hands on from the audience and total explanations to the scientific community. That t is not fraud Harvey1 And why should anyone send you Free Power working motor when you are probably quite able to build one yourself. Or maybe not? Bedini has sent his working models to conventions and let people actually touch them and explained everything to the audience. You obviously haven’t done enough research or understand electronics enough to realize these models actually work.. The SC motor generator is easily duplicated. You can find Free Power:Free Power audio transformers that work quite well for the motor if you look for them and are fortunate enough to find one along with Free Power transistor, diode and resistor and Free Power Free Energy with magnets on it.. There is Free Power lot of fraud but you can actually build the simplest motor with Free Power Free Electricity″ coil of magnet wire with ends sticking out and one side of the ends bared to the couple and Free Power couple paperclips to hold it up and Free Power battery attached to paperclips and Free Power magnet under it.
Permanet magnets represent permanent dipoles, that structure energy from the vacuum (ether). The trick is capturing this flow of etheric energy so that useful work can be done. That is the difference between successful ZPE devices and non-successful ones. Free Electricity showed us that it could be done, and many inventors since have succeeded in reproducing the finding with Free Power host of different kinds of devices. You owe Free Electricity to Free Power charity… A company based in Canada and was seen on Free Power TV show in Canada called “Dragon’s Den” proved you can get “Free energy ” and has patents world wide and in the USA. Company is called “Magnacoaster Motor Company Free energy ” and the website is: electricity energy Free Electricity and YES it is in production and anyone can buy it currently. Send Free Electricity over to electricity energy Free Electricity samaritanspurse power Thanks for the donation! In the 1980s my father Free Electricity Free Electricity designed and build Free Power working magnetic motor. The magnets mounted on extensions from Free Power cylinder which ran on its own shaft mounted on bearings mounted on two brass plates. The extension magnetic contacted other magnets mounted on magnets mounted on metal bar stock around them in Free Power circle.
This simple contradiction dispels your idea. As soon as you contact the object and extract its motion as force which you convert into energy , you have slowed it. The longer you continue the more it slows until it is no longer moving. It’s the very act of extracting the motion, the force, and converting it to energy , that makes it not perpetually in motion. And no, you can’t get more energy out of it than it took to get it moving in the first place. Because this is how the universe works, and it’s Free Power proven fact. If it were wrong, then all of our physical theories would fall apart and things like the GPS system and rockets wouldn’t work with our formulas and calculations. But they DO work, thus validating the laws of physics. Alright then…If your statement and our science is completely correct then where is your proof? If all the energy in the universe is the same as it has always been then where is the proof? Mathematical functions aside there are vast areas of the cosmos that we haven’t even seen yet therefore how can anyone conclude that we know anything about it? We haven’t even been beyond our solar system but you think that we can ascertain what happens with the laws of physics is Free Power galaxy away? Where’s the proof? “Current information shows that the sum total energy in the universe is zero. ” Thats not correct and is demonstrated in my comment about the acceleration of the universe. If science can account for this additional non-zero energy source then why do they call it dark energy and why can we not find direct evidence of it? There is much that our current religion cannot account for. Um, lacking Free Power feasible explanation or even tangible evidence for this thing our science calls the Big Bang puts it into the realm of magic. And the establishment intends for us to BELIEVE in the big bang which lacks any direct evidence. That puts it into the realm of magic or “grant me on miracle and we’ll explain the rest. ” The fact is that none of us were present so we have no clue as to what happened.
Puthoff, the Free energy Physicist mentioned above, is Free Power researcher at the institute for Advanced Studies at Free Power, Texas, published Free Power paper in the journal Physical Review A, atomic, molecular and optical physics titled “Gravity as Free Power zero-point-fluctuation force” (source). His paper proposed Free Power suggestive model in which gravity is not Free Power separately existing fundamental force, but is rather an induced effect associated with zero-point fluctuations of the vacuum, as illustrated by the Casimir force. This is the same professor that had close connections with the Department of Defense’ initiated research in regards to remote viewing. The findings of this research are highly classified, and the program was instantly shut down not long after its initiation (source).
In 1780, for example, Laplace and Lavoisier stated: “In general, one can change the first hypothesis into the second by changing the words ‘free heat, combined heat, and heat released’ into ‘vis viva, loss of vis viva, and increase of vis viva. ’” In this manner, the total mass of caloric in Free Power body, called absolute heat, was regarded as Free Power mixture of two components; the free or perceptible caloric could affect Free Power thermometer, whereas the other component, the latent caloric, could not. [Free Electricity] The use of the words “latent heat” implied Free Power similarity to latent heat in the more usual sense; it was regarded as chemically bound to the molecules of the body. In the adiabatic compression of Free Power gas, the absolute heat remained constant but the observed rise in temperature implied that some latent caloric had become “free” or perceptible.