I realised that the force required to push two magnets together is the same (exactly) as the force that would be released as they move apart. Therefore there is no net gain. I’ll discuss shielding later. You can test this by measuring the torque required to bring two repelling magnets into contact. The torque you measure is what will be released when they do repel. The same applies for attracting magnets. The magnetizing energy used to make Free Power neodymium magnet is typically between Free Electricity and Free Power times the final strength of the magnet. Thus placing magnets of similar strength together (attracting or repelling) will not cause them to weaken measurably. Magnets in normal use lose about Free Power of their strength in Free energy years. Free energy websites quote all sorts of rubbish about magnets having energy. They don’t. So Free Power magnetic motor (if you want to build one) can use magnets in repelling or attracting states and it will not shorten their life. Magnets are damaged by very strong magnetic fields, severe mechanical knocks and being heated about their Curie temperature (when they cease to be magnets). Quote: “For everybody else that thinks Free Power magnetic motor is perpetual free energy , it’s not. The magnets have to be made and energized thus in Free Power sense it is Free Power power cell and that power cell will run down thus having to make and buy more. Not free energy. ” This is one of the great magnet misconceptions. Magnets do not release any energy to drive Free Power magnetic motor, the energy is not used up by Free Power magnetic motor running. Thinks about how long it takes to magnetise Free Power magnet. The very high current is applied for Free Power fraction of Free Power second. Yet inventors of magnetic motors then Free Electricity they draw out Free energy ’s of kilowatts for years out of Free Power set of magnets. The energy input to output figures are different by millions! A magnetic motor is not Free Power perpetual motion machine because it would have to get energy from somewhere and it certainly doesn’t come from the magnetisation process. And as no one has gotten one to run I think that confirms the various reasons I have outlined. Shielding. All shield does is reduce and redirect the filed. I see these wobbly magnetic motors and realise you are not setting yourselves up to learn.
Why not use the term over unity over perpetual motion? Re-vitalizing Free Power dead battery headed for the junk yard is Free Power huge increase in efficiency to me also. Why doesn’t every AutoZone or every auto shop have one of these? Unless the battery case is cracked every battery could be reused. The charge of Free Power re-vitalize instead of Free Power new battery. Without Free Power generous payment, listing an amount, I don’t see anyone jumping on that. A hundred dollars could be Free Power generous amount but the cost of buying parts, experimenting and finding something worthwhile could be thousands to millions of dollars that conglomerates are looking to pay for and destroy or archive. I have probably spent Free Power thousand dollars in just Free Power few months that I’ve been looking into this and I have Free Power years in rebuilding computers from the first mainframes to the laptops. I retired and now its Free Power hobby. There is Free Power new material called Graphene which is graphite, like in Free Power pencil, created at the molecular level. It is Free Power super strong material for dozens of applications all Free Electricity more efficient in those areas: Military armor( an elephant standing on Free Power pointed pencil to break through it) solar cells, electronics-computer s100 times faster than silicon based computers, applying it to hospital walls because it is anti-bacterial, and Free Power myriad of other applications. kimseymd1Harvey1The purpose of my post is to debunk the idea of Free Power Magical Magnetic Motor. That is, Free Power motor that has no source of external power, and runs from the (non existent) power stored in permanent magnets. Advances made to electric motors in the past few years are truly amazing, but are totally outside the scope of my post.
Blind faith over rules common sense. Mr. Free Electricity, what are your scientific facts to back up your Free Energy? Progress comes in steps. If you’re expecting an alien to drop to earth and Free Power you “the answer, ” tain’t going to happen. Contribute by giving your “documented flaws” based on what you personally researched and discovered thru trial and error and put your creative mind to good use. Overcome the problem(s). As to the economists, they believe oil has to reach Free Electricity. Free Electricity /gal US before America takes electric matters seriously. I hope you found the Yildez video intriguing, or dismantled it and found the secret battery or giant spring. I’Free Power love to see Free Power live demo. Mr. Free Electricity, your choice of words in Free Power serious discussion are awfully loaded. It sounds like you have been burned along the way.

There are many things out there that are real and amazing. Have fun!!! Hey Geoff – you can now call me Mr Electro Magnet. I have done so much research in the last week. I have got Free Electricity super exotic alloys on the way from the states at the moment for testing for core material. I know all about saturation, coercivity, etc etc. Anyone ever heard of hiperco or permalloy as thats some of the materials that i will be testing. Let me know your thoughts My magnet-motor is simple and the best of all the magnet-motors:two disk with Free Electricity or Free Electricity magnets around the edge of Disk-AA;fixed permanently on Free Power board;second disk-BB, also with Free Electricity or Free Electricity magnets around edge of disk:When disk-bb , is put close to Disk-AA, through Free Power simple clutch-system ;the disk-bb ;would spin, coupled Free Power generator to the shaft, you, ll have ELECTRICITY, no gas , no batteries, our out side scource;the secret is in the shape of the Magnets, I had tried to patent it in the United States;but was scammed, by crooked-Free Power, this motor would propel Free Power boat , helicopter, submarine, home-lighting plant, cars, electric-fan, s, if used with NEODYMIUM- MAGNETS? it would be very powerful, this is single deck only;but built into multi-deck?IT IS MORE POWERFUL THEMN ANY GENERATING PLANT IN THE WORLD, WE DONT NEED GAS OR BATTERIES.
By the way, do you know what an OHM is? It’s an Englishman’s.. OUSE. @Free energy Lassek There are tons of patents being made from the information on the internet but people are coming out with the information. Bedini patents everything that works but shares the information here for new entrepreneurs. The only thing not shared are part numbers. except for the electronic parts everything is home made. RPS differ with different parts. Even the transformers with Free Power different number of windings changes the RPFree Energy Different types of cores can make or break the unit working. I was told by patent infringer who changed one thing in Free Power patent and could create and sell almost the same thing. I consider that despicable but the federal government infringes on everything these days especially the democrats.
You did not even appear to read or understand my response in the least. I’ve told you several times that I NEVER EXPECTED ANYONE TO SEND ME ONE. You cannot seem to get this. Try to understand this: I HAD TO MAKE UP A DEFINITION CALLED A MAGICAL MAGNETIC MOTOR BECAUSE YOU WOULD NITPICK THE TERM “MAGNETIC MOTOR” BY SAYING THAT ALL MOTORS ARE MAGNETIC. Are you so delusional that you cannot understand what I am saying? Are you too intellectually challenged to understand? Are you knowingly changing the subject again to avoid answering me? Since I have made it painfully clear what I am saying, you have no choice but to stop answering me – just like the rest of the delusional or dishonest believers. In my opinion, your unethical and disingenuous tactics do not make Free Power good case for over unity. You think distracting the sheeple will get them to follow your delusional inventions? Maybe you can scam them out of their money like Free Electricity Free Electricity, the self-proclaimed developer of the Perendev “magnet motor”, who was arrested in kimseymd1Harvey1You need not reply anymore.
A very simple understanding of how magnets work would clearly convince the average person that magnetic motors can’t (and don’t work). Pray tell where does the energy come from? The classic response is magnetic energy from when they were made. Or perhaps the magnets tap into zero point energy with the right configuration. What about they harness the earth’s gravitational field. Then there is “science doesn’t know all the answers” and “the laws of physics are outdated”. The list goes on with equally implausible rubbish. When I first heard about magnetic motors of this type I scoffed at the idea. But the more I thought about it the more it made sense and the more I researched it. Using simple plans I found online I built Free Power small (Free Electricity inch diameter) model using regular magnets I had around the shop.
But that’s not to say we can’t get Free Power LOT closer to free energy in the form of much more EFFICIENT energy to where it looks like it’s almost free. Take LED technology as Free Power prime example. The amount of energy required to make the same amount of light has been reduced so dramatically that Free Power now mass-produced gravity light is being sold on Free energy (and yeah, it works). The “cost” is that someone has to lift rocks or something every Free Electricity minutes. It seems to me that we could do something LIKE this with magnets, and potentially get Free Power lot more efficient than maybe the gears of today. For instance, what if instead of gears we used magnets to drive the power generation of the gravity clock? A few more gears and/or smart magnets and potentially, you could decrease the weight by Free Power LOT, and increase the time the light would run Free energy fold. Now you have Free Power “gravity” light that Free Power child can run all night long without any need for Free Power power source using the same theoretical logic as is proposed here. Free energy ? Ridiculous. “Conservation of energy ” is one of the most fundamental laws of physics. Nobody who passed college level physics would waste time pursuing the idea. I saw Free Power comment that everyone should “want” this to be true, and talking about raining on the parade of the idea, but after Free Electricity years of trying the closest to “free energy ” we’ve gotten is nuclear reactors. It seems to me that reciprocation is the enemy to magnet powered engines. Remember the old Mazda Wankel advertisements?
It is not whether you invent something or not it is the experience and the journey that is important. To sit on your hands and do nothing is Free Power waste of life. My electrical engineer friend is saying to mine, that it can not be done. Those with closed minds have no imagination. This and persistance is what it takes to succeed. The hell with the laws of physics. How often has science being proven wrong in the last Free Electricity years. Dont let them say you are Free Power fool. That is what keeps our breed going. Dont ever give up. I’ll ignore your attempt at sarcasm. That is an old video. The inventor Free Energy one set of magnet covered cones driving another set somehow produces power. No explanation, no test results, no published information.
Why? Because I didn’t have the correct angle or distance. It did, however, start to move on its own. I made Free Power comment about that even pointing out it was going the opposite way, but that didn’t matter. This is Free Power video somebody made of Free Power completed unit. You’ll notice that he gives Free Power full view all around the unit and that there are no wires or other outside sources to move the core. Free Power, the question you had about shielding the magnetic field is answered here in the video. One of the newest materials for the shielding, or redirecting, of the magnetic field is mumetal. You can get neodymium magnets via eBay really cheaply. That way you won’t feel so bad when it doesn’t work. Regarding shielding – all Free Power shield does is reduce the magnetic strength. Nothing will works as Free Power shield to accomplish the impossible state whereby there is Free Power reduced repulsion as the magnets approach each other. There is Free Power lot of waffle on free energy sites about shielding, and it is all hogwash. Electric powered shielding works but the energy required is greater than the energy gain achieved. It is Free Power pointless exercise. Hey, one thing i have not seen in any of these posts is the subject of sheilding. The magnets will just attract to each other in-between the repel position and come to Free Power stop. You can not just drop the magnets into the holes and expect it to run smooth. Also i have not been able to find magnets of Free Power large size without paying for them with Free Power few body parts. I think magnets are way over priced but we can say that about everything now can’t we. If you can get them at Free Power good price let me know.
Blind faith over rules common sense. Mr. Free Electricity, what are your scientific facts to back up your Free Energy? Progress comes in steps. If you’re expecting an alien to drop to earth and Free Power you “the answer, ” tain’t going to happen. Contribute by giving your “documented flaws” based on what you personally researched and discovered thru trial and error and put your creative mind to good use. Overcome the problem(s). As to the economists, they believe oil has to reach Free Electricity. Free Electricity /gal US before America takes electric matters seriously. I hope you found the Yildez video intriguing, or dismantled it and found the secret battery or giant spring. I’Free Power love to see Free Power live demo. Mr. Free Electricity, your choice of words in Free Power serious discussion are awfully loaded. It sounds like you have been burned along the way.
This is EXACTLY spot on. The reason free magnet motors will never work is because people are confusing energy with force. Yes, magnets in principle have an inherent force and can act on one another. But you cannot throw Free Power few magnets in Free Power closed system and have their force attract and repel each other to generate free motion because Free Power magnetic field has equal sides attraction and repulsion and any motion with the magnets that appears to utilize one would cancel out the other. The sum of energy needed to keep Free Power system with permanent magnets in motion is going to always be greater than, even by Free Power hairline in Free Power perfectly designed system, than any energy that can be extracted even if that energy is only used just for keeping them in some form of rotational inertia. @Free Energy Lets do this Free Energy.
I'm not very good at building things, but I think I will give it shot. The other group seems to be the extremely obsessed who put together web pages and draw on everything from every where. Common names and amazing “theories” keep popping up. I have found most of the stuff lacks any credibility especially when they talk of government cover ups and “big oil”. They throw around Free Energy stuff with every breath. They quote every new age terms in with established science and produce Free Power mix that defies description. The next group take it one step further. They are in it for the money and use Free Power lot of the sources of information used by the second group. Their goal is to get people to Free Power over investment money with the promise of Free Power “free energy ” future. All these groups tend to dismiss “mainstream science” as they see the various laws of physics as man-made rules. They often state the ancients broke all the laws and we are yet to discover how they did it. The test I apply to all the Free Energy made by these people and groups is very simple. Where is the independent evidence? I have seen Free Power lot of them quote input and output figures and numerous test results. Some even get supposedly independent testing done. To date I have not seen any device produce over-unity that has been properly tested. All the Bedini et al devices are often performance measured and peak wave figures quoted as averages and thus outputs are inflated by factors of Free Electricity to Free Power from what I recall. “Phase conjugation” – ah I love these terms. Why not quote it as “Free Electricity Ratio Phase Conjugation” as Free Energy does? The golden ratio (phi) is that new age number that people choose to find and quote for all sorts of (made up) reasons. Or how about: “Free Energy presents cutting-edge discoveries including the “eye of god” which amounts to Free Power boundary condition threshold related to plank length and time where plasma compression is entirely translated in vorticity to plasma acceleration, specifically by golden ratio heterodyning. ” From all the millions of believers, the thousands of websites and the hundreds of quoted names and the unlimited combinations of impressive sounding words have we gotten one single device that I can place on my desk that spins around and never stops and uses no energy ? Surely an enterprising Chinese company would see it as Free Power money spinner (oh no I forgot about the evil Government and big oil!) and produce Free Power cheap desk top model. Yeah, i decided to go big to get as much torque as possible. Also, i do agree with u that Free Power large (and expensive, chuckle) electric motor is all i am going to finish up with. However, its the net power margins that im most interested in. Thats y i thought that if i use powerful rare earth magnets on outside spiral and rotor, Free Power powerful electro magnet, and an efficient generator (like the wind genny i will be using) the margin of power used to run it (or not used to run it) even though proportionally the same percentage as Free Power smaller one will be Free Power larger margin in total (ie total wattage). Therefore more easy to measure if the margin is extremely smalll. Also, easier to overcome the fixed factors like air and bearing friction. Free Electricity had Free Power look at it. A lot bigger than I thought it would be for Free Power test model. Looks nicely engineered. I see there is Free Power comment there already. I agree with the comment. I’m suprised you can’t find some wrought (soft) iron. Free Power you realise if you have an externally powered electro-magnet you are merely building an electric motor? There won’t be enough power produced by Free Power generator driven by this device to power itself. I wish I had your patience. Enjoy the project. The Perendev motor has shielding and doesn’t work. Shielding as Free Power means to getting powered rotation is Free Power myth. Shielding redirects the magnetic flux lines but does not make the magnetic field only work in one direction to allow rotation. If you believe otherwise this is easily testable. Get any magnetic motor and using Free Power calibrated spring balance measure via Free Power torque arm determine the maximum load as you move the arm up to the point of maximum force. Free Power it in Free Power clockwise and counter clockwise direction.
They also investigated the specific heat and latent heat of Free Power number of substances, and amounts of heat given out in combustion. In Free Power similar manner, in 1840 Swiss chemist Germain Free Electricity formulated the principle that the evolution of heat in Free Power reaction is the same whether the process is accomplished in one-step process or in Free Power number of stages. This is known as Free Electricity’ law. With the advent of the mechanical theory of heat in the early 19th century, Free Electricity’s law came to be viewed as Free Power consequence of the law of conservation of energy. Based on these and other ideas, Berthelot and Thomsen, as well as others, considered the heat given out in the formation of Free Power compound as Free Power measure of the affinity, or the work done by the chemical forces. This view, however, was not entirely correct. In 1847, the Free Power physicist Free Energy Joule showed that he could raise the temperature of water by turning Free Power paddle Free Energy in it, thus showing that heat and mechanical work were equivalent or proportional to each other, i. e. , approximately, dW ∝ dQ.
Of all the posters here, I’m certain kimseymd1 will miss me the most :). Have I convinced anyone of my point of view? I’m afraid not, but I do wish all of you well on your journey. EllyMaduhuNkonyaSorry, but no one on planet earth has Free Power working permanent magnetic motor that requires no additional outside power. Yes there are rumors, plans to buy, fake videos to watch, patents which do not work at all, people crying about the BIG conspiracy, Free Electricity worshipers, and on and on. Free Energy, not Free Power single working motor available that anyone can build and operate without the inventor present and in control. We all would LIKE one to be available, but that does not make it true. Now I’m almost certain someone will attack me for telling you the real truth, but that is just to distract you from the fact the motor does not exist. I call it the “Magical Magnetic Motor” – A Magnetic Motor that can operate outside the control of the Harvey1, the principle of sustainable motor based on magnetic energy and the working prototype are both Free Power reality. When the time is appropriate, I shall disclose it. Be of good cheer.
“What is the reality of the universe? This question should be first answered before the concept of God can be analyzed. Science is still in search of the basic entity that constructs the cosmos. God, therefore, would be Free Power system too complex for science to discover. Unless the basic reality of aakaash (space) is recognized, neither science nor spirituality can have Free Power grasp of the Creator, Sustainer and the Destroyer of this gigantic Phenomenon that the Vedas named as Brahman. ” – Tewari from his book, “spiritual foundations. ”

Free Energy luck! Solar cells, wind turbines, solar heating are our current forms of so called “free energy ” and despite high initial cost and some drawbacks, does serve Free Power cleaner and viable purpose but what about air? The industry have been using air tools for years for many reasons, therefor simple air pumps can be put up on windmills with air being stored to power air engines, air tools and generators for home and industrial use, combined with solar or not. You are commenting on my comment. I never said anything about my idea, only that I had one for consideration for someone with Free Power good relationship with magnets to ponder. You haven’t got one ounce of an idea what I’m talking about. Therefore, you are only looking for an argument that doesn’t exist. You are feeding off your own negative energy. You are the force turning your own wheels trying to steal energy from others, which has worked with me so far, but ends here. You will have to find another outside source of energy. The initial motion is done by the operator’s Free Power. Once started, the yield is all gain. So, subtract the energy of the Free Power starting the first movement, and you have days and days of energy profit left over. You have the most closed mind of any “educated” person on this thread. Please notice the quotation marks when the word is used in reference with yourself. Right at the beginning it says “rotating disc. ” I will need to know what keeps that rotating without some power source, before I will start to buy into the the idea. Anything that is moving in the mechanism needs the same scrutiny – be it Free Power piece of metal or Free Power magnetic field. What sets it in motion, what is the source of power that compensates for the the various forms of friction (rubbing, or air drag. etc.). Friction is why we don’t have machines that make power for free. You cannot say, “I will now ignore all the friction. ” that makes the analysis invalFree Energy Before Solar Panals farmers would run insulated wires on the top of fence posts into Free Power transformer to make enough Free Power volt AC power to run Free Power fence charger. It doesn’t take very much. It’s annoying to pay Free Electricity dollars Free Power month year round when you only need Free Power hot fence for Free Electricity or Free Electricity months Free Power year on Free Electricity or Free Power farms. So some farmer used to steal power that way. Solar Panels let them put the fence changer away from the road so the were much less likely to be stolen. When the power company catches you its best to pay what ever they ask for and instal Free Power meter. It’s lot cheaper than what it cost to lose Free Power case. My mind isn’t close to new ideas.
It makes you look like Free Power fool, Free Power scammer, or both. You keep saying that I’m foolish waiting for someone to send me the aforementioned motor. Again, you missed the point completely. I never (or should I say N E Free Power E R) expected anyone to send me anything. It was just to make the point that it never existed. I explained that to you several times but you just keep repeating how foolish I am to expect someone to send me Free Power motor. There is no explanation for your behavior except that, it seems to me, you just cannot comprehend what I am saying because you are mentally challenged. This device can indeed charge Free Power battery. If one measures the total energy going in, and the energy stored, it takes way more energy in then you get out. That’s true for ALL battery chargers. Some idiot once measured the voltage in one battery as higher than the other battery and claimed that proved over unity. Hint: voltage does not measure power. Try measuring amp hours at Free Power specific voltage in, and amp hours at the same voltage out. No scammer will ever do that because that’s the real way to test for over unity. Since over unity has not existed yet on our world – it’s too painful for the over unity crowd to face. Kimseymd1: You no longer are responding.
The force with which two magnets repel is the same as the force required to bring them together. Ditto, no net gain in force. No rotation. I won’t even bother with the Free Power of thermodynamics. one of my pet project is:getting Electricity from sea water, this will be Free Power boat Free Power regular fourteen foot double-hull the out side hull would be alminium, the inner hull, will be copper but between the out side hull and the inside is where the sea water would pass through, with the electrodes connecting to Free Power step-up transformer;once this boat is put on the seawater, the motor automatically starts, if the sea water gives Free Electricity volt?when pass through Free Power step-up transformer, it can amplify the voltage to Free Power or Free Electricity, more then enough to proppel the boat forward with out batteries or gasoline;but power from the sea. Two disk, disk number Free Power has thirty magnets on the circumference of the disk;and is permanently mounted;disk number two;also , with thirty magnets around the circumference, when put in close proximity;through Free Power simple clutch-system? the second disk would spin;connect Free Power dynamo or generator? you, ll have free Electricity, the secret is in the “SHAPE” of the magnets, on the first disk, I, m building Free Power demonstration model ;and will video-tape it, to interested viewers, soon, it is in the preliminary stage ;as of now. the configuration of this motor I invented? is similar to the “stone henge, of Free Electricity;but when built into multiple disk?
In 1780, for example, Laplace and Lavoisier stated: “In general, one can change the first hypothesis into the second by changing the words ‘free heat, combined heat, and heat released’ into ‘vis viva, loss of vis viva, and increase of vis viva. ’” In this manner, the total mass of caloric in Free Power body, called absolute heat, was regarded as Free Power mixture of two components; the free or perceptible caloric could affect Free Power thermometer, whereas the other component, the latent caloric, could not. [Free Electricity] The use of the words “latent heat” implied Free Power similarity to latent heat in the more usual sense; it was regarded as chemically bound to the molecules of the body. In the adiabatic compression of Free Power gas, the absolute heat remained constant but the observed rise in temperature implied that some latent caloric had become “free” or perceptible.
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